No More Versions of Premiere Pro????

[l***@adobeforums.com]

Since I can't get an answer from the source maybe someone here knows. There's been industry talk that Adobe could be possibly dropping Premiere from it's line of products. Has anyone else heard anything similiar? I've tried to contact Adobe directly but can't find the right person/people to talk to.

[c***@adobeforums.com]

Why dont you ask the "indsutry" where you heard the rumor?

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Dumb rumor... Premeire is #1 in prosumer editing and that's not changing soon. I am a little upset that Pinnacle/Avid has managed to launch TWO new LE lines since the last Adobe update. This one had best be a doozy.

[Calvin Hass]

Wouldn't make much sense considering that Adobe will be releasing After Effects 7 soon (as demonstrated in the Macromedia previews). I'm wishfully hoping that we'll see a Video Collection / Premiere Pro release, perhaps at NAB Post+ (Nov 15-17) :)

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Hi Calvin,

perhaps at NAB Post+ (Nov 15-17)




Ok, I'll hold you to that. :-)

But seriously...

With full understanding of how update rumors can get out of hand, I was going to ask a general update question myself-- how long has the current version been around and whether there was any history to suggest when an update might be out.

The fact that AE 7 is in development would seem to be a favorable sign. Interesting to see how Adobe's future plans for Premiere play out.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

It'd be surprising - but not shocking - if Adobe ends up spinning off PPro to some other company. Believe it or not, Adobe's major focus by far is Acrobat (!) and it seems as if pretty much everyone in the place is assigned to some aspect of Acrobat development. Go figure.

I can see how Adobe might decide that it's prudent to dump the "niche" market product, PPro - which has an irritatingly demanding and very exacting user base (nearly as bad as those pain in the neck Photoshop people :) - in favor of a "mass" market user base for Elements which seems to be coming right along. Particularly now that Adobe has to figure out how best to mesh its product line with Macromedia's.

On the other hand, re-developing Premier, developing Encore, acquiring Audition, and upgrading AE seems like an awful lot of work and expense to go to if the secret plan is to dump PPro.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Hi Peter,

I can see how Adobe might decide that it's prudent to dump the "niche"
market product, PPro - which has an irritatingly demanding and very exacting
user base (nearly as bad as those pain in the neck Photoshop people -
in favor of a "mass" market user base for Elements which seems to be coming
right along.




Interesting notion, but my speculation runs opposite to this line of thought.

It seems to me that Adobe's "Elements" programs have been positioned to a rapidly growing novice market (especially w/ video), and it's a good way to keep that same market onboard Adobe's ship in the face of many competing programs similarly priced. Onboard that is until a segment of that market eventually moves up to the pro line of programs-- with the accompanying higher profit margins.

I'll even go as far to say that video-- in many forms-- will be one of the hottest software markets in the near future. I've read a number of articles recently to suggest to me that consumer interest & investment in video cameras is really taking off.

Who know, perhaps the increasing focus of video in Macromedia's Flash program holds some promise for some kind of integration between those products down the road.

Ok, ok... enough wild speculation for now (or is it, wishful thinking?).

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Roger -- I agree with you. "Personal video" is already a very hot market and the democratization of video is well underway. Flash technology is argueably at the forefront of this with it's focus on interactive video delivered via Web and mobile devices. Premier Elements is a much more likely "people's tool" for creating the content that Flash and subsequent technologies will deliver via cellphones, PDAs, Vlogs (Web browsers), iPods, email, personal streams, and of course, DVD, VHS, and digital projection. Heck, it'll even deal with MPEG2 natively. Experiments such as Google's video index, Revver, Atom Films, etc, are indications that some very smart money is already in play sizing-up the commercial potential of all this.

Which by no means portends the death of big screen professional video though it may quickly represent a much larger market. Still, having easy to use tools doesn't guarantee that the results will be easy to watch or listen to. 8mm didn't kill off Hollywood, camcorders didn't sink the broadcast networks, podcasts aren't likely to crush commercial radio. Wedding videographers may start to sweat a bit now that the bride's little sister has gotten real good at making home movies, but the livelihoods of most video professionals probably aren't at risk and may in fact expand.

Adobe would be nuts to give up its substantial investment in the higher-end arena particularly now that it has a real contender at the lower end. With the Macromedia acquisition, Adobe is suddenly brilliantly well positioned to expand the deliverability of each end (and also the middle).

[Calvin Hass]

[start rumor]
Perhaps I'm being a little "hyper-sensitive" but I couldn't help but notice that Total Training is now showing discounts for all of their "1.5" products :)

AND... the offer ends "November 14, 2005", just one day before my predicted release date... Do I have reason to be excited or what?!

:)
[end rumor]

Cal.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Calvin... I'd bet my shorts that you're right... Next Tuesday we'll have a lot to read about. I'd have loved to see an AE7 preview, I'm jealous. That's the one program that can improve its functionality tremendously by making it more user-friendly.

As far as Adobe dropping PPro, don't even think about it. Adobe is in expansion mode, not contraction. I would be surprised if Adobe doesn't come out with Adobe Office in the next year or two. It would be a huge hit.. especially with interoperability with current Adobe products.

[G***@adobeforums.com]

I'd have loved to see an AE7 preview, I'm jealous.




Click on THIS link, go to day two, and play the fourth video from the left:

<http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/events/max/max2005/video/>

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Darn it!!! not working!

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Darn it!!! not working!




Might want to keep trying. I got right in the first time, then when I tried to go back, then it couldn't connect.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

The demo of AE 7 shows basically four things:

1) Instead of the current desktop metaphor (a cavalcade of palettes), AE7 connects all the palettes together so the desktop will be a cavalcade of connected palettes. There appeared to be some additional tabbing options on the Timeline palette, but those were not demoed.

2) AE7 will have additional text animation presets.

3) There will be particle presets in AE7 that are browsable (and animate) in a special browser window.

4) The presentation was done in conjunction with a guy from Macromedia who demoed Flash 8, so the AE program manager showed how AE7 can output alpha channel stuff directly to FLV format.

That was about it.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

I finally saw it... the new interface was more Cumbustion-like. I thought it was a big improvement, as I've always hated constantly moving around the windows. I also liked the tabbing features... what I saw.

I think that was probably a pretty shalow demo, I'm sure there is a LOT MORE.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Post by C***@adobeforums.com
I finally saw it... the new interface was more Cumbustion-like. I thought
it was a big improvement, as I've

Considering that the new Premiere Elements has the splitter style interface
(which I thought was really slick), I hope big brother inherits this look.
It would make the desktop look a lot more clean and extremely functional,
versus the current multiple window setup. I also hope they allow you to
drag and reorganize the panes into any configuration or allow them to
free-float. That would be sweet! :^)

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Considering that the new Premiere Elements has the splitter style interface
(which I thought was really slick), I hope big brother inherits this look.




Do you know if the new Elements has dual monitor support? That alone, IMO, would be worth the price of a PPro upgrade.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Post by R***@adobeforums.com
Do you know if the new Elements has dual monitor support? That alone,
IMO, would be worth the price of a PPro upgrade. <<

Not sure, I'm using Pro... I just thought some of the enhancements in
Elements were nice.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

I just hope it's a whole lot more than an interface update... while it's needed. It should have increased abilitities to combine with other Adobe software plus some sort of on-board DVD authoring. Improved performance is another must... plus the all-important time remapping.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Post by C***@adobeforums.com
I just hope it's a whole lot more than an interface update... while it's
needed. It should have increased abilitities to combine with other Adobe
software plus some sort of on-board DVD authoring. Improved performance is
another must... plus the all-important time remapping.<<

Actually, if they trashed the Encore product and integrated it into Pro that
would be sweet (since they have lowered the price of Encore, that could
indicate they aren't selling enough of it... which could make integration a
very real possibility). The remapping you mention would be nice. Also,
Vegas has a slick time feature that allows you to slow or speed-up time just
by dragging an envelope around on the video clip (aka Velocity Envolopes)...
that would be a nice addition to Pro. I could list a million things I'd
like to see, however I'm eager to see what Adobe has up their sleeves.

rm

[R***@adobeforums.com]

I just thought some of the enhancements in Elements were nice.




Yep, using Pro here as well. Just thinking that if Elements has dual monitor support, surely Pro will.

[J***@adobeforums.com]

Roger, what do you mean by 'dual monitor support'? Pro already works with two monitors in Windows (and has done since at least v1.0).

Time remapping is part of After Effects and (in my opinion) there'd be little benefit in Adobe bringing all the 'best' bits of AE into Pro. The same could be said of Encore. Adobe has a DVD production solution to go with Pro - it's Encore.

The Elements package is (again in my opinion) aimed at an entirely different market to Pro - you could say there's a clue in the name. Elements is aimed at the consumer market where the key is providing the basics needed to do a job at that level. This means including some tools that at the Pro level are split off into separate applications because of the complexity of these full featured packages.

Jon

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Hi Jon,

Roger, what do you mean by 'dual monitor support'? Pro already works with
two monitors in Windows (and has done since at least v1.0).




Ok, how to you drag your Timeline Window to a 2nd monitor? Or Project and/or Monitor window?

[J***@adobeforums.com]

Roger, de-maximise your Pro window (middle button of the three Windows buttons, extreme top right) - it should look like two squares overlapping before and a single square with a heavy top edge when 'demaximised'. Grab the edge of the Pro window and drag to fit across both monitors. Bob is your uncle. You can now rearrange all your toolbars/dialogues, etc. anywhere you want.

Although Pro should retain this setting upon startup, it's a good idea to save your Workspace in this set-up should it ever get disturbed.

We should really get this put in the FAQs - it gets asked about once a week.

MarkCole, "Dual monitors?" #2, 31 Oct 2005 9:32 am </cgi-bin/webx?13@@.3bbd079d/1>

Jon

[P***@adobeforums.com]

When I talked to a Adobe rep, he said that PPro is on a 14MO product cycle. Since we are at about that for 1.5 to 2.0, I think mid month looks promising. One thing I asked about was DVCproHD/Panasonic P2 support. He smiled and nodded. Since I am looking at the New Panasonic HVX, hope adobe isnt lying.

[E***@adobeforums.com]

Jon, it's been in the PPro Wiki for some time. Unfortunately there are many people out there who won't lift a finger to find an answer beyond posting redundant questions. :(Cheers
Eddie
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[R***@adobeforums.com]

Jon,

Grab the edge of the Pro window and drag to fit across both monitors.
Bob is your uncle. You can now rearrange all your toolbars/dialogues,
etc. anywhere you want.




I appreciate the detailed response, however this is a kludge at best-- hardly dual monitor functionality. Shoot-- I can drag a lowly DOS application screen to span two monitors. Big whoop... :)

If you have to drag your app space across both monitors-- and are only able to view the one program maximized, IMO that's not even all that useful. It surely isn't a dual monitor environment.

Take a look at Photoshop CS2-- it supports dual monitors. With Photoshop _maximized_, anything that can be dragged, can be displayed on either monitor. I can run Photoshop maximized in one monitor, Dreamweaver or InDesign, or... whatever-- maximized in the other, and with Photoshop active, completely cover the other monitor with open images. Alt + Tab and I'm back to the other maximized program, with Photoshop still visible on the other side.

PPro lets you drag some toolbars and the like back/forth when maximized-- which is useful-- but not the main windows.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Eddie,

Unfortunately there are many people out there who won't lift a finger
to find an answer beyond posting redundant questions




And there are other users-- like myself e.g.-- who *always* search first and usually do benefit from reading about the agony of others.

However sometimes further clarification is in order no matter what other resources reveal.

[E***@adobeforums.com]

Roger, I agree with you completely. Please don't take my comment as a personal affront against you.Cheers
Eddie
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[J***@adobeforums.com]

Roger, while I agree that the dragging option does seem a bit like a kludge, I'm losing you on your description of the differences. I can do exactly what you describe with Pro or AE - I'm doing it right now in fact. I have AE open - stretched across my two monitors, while I have my browser open and maximised in the right hand monitor. I am (demonstrably :) ) using my browser and I can still see the left hand pane of AE in my left monitor. If I ALT-TAB, I can switch back to AE running on both.

Am I missing something? I think you may be referring to the ability to drag windows/toolboxes outside of the main window. So, for example, having Pros project window outside of the main app. Sure, that's a different type of support but it's not specifically dual monitor - that's simply a different way of programming the app (or possibly a limitation of the app). If you had Pro only filling half the screen on one monitor, you still wouldn't be able to drag all of the toolboxes outside the main window. More importantly, what difference does it make? As I mentioned above, the resizing option gives (at least it seems to me) every benefit of the ability to pull toolboxes out of, er.. the box. Given that both Pro and AE make heavy use of horizontal timelines I'm going to want to fill most of the width of monitors with this anyway.

Finally, even if 'dual monitor' support as a specific style of display was offered, would actually be beneficial? You're not limited to two monitors and we considered getting a three monitor version when buying our latest workstation. To me, the process of stretching the app window is something I had to do once, on installation of the program. It's not really something that troubles me on a daily basis :)

Maybe I've missed the thrust of your argument. It's not unheard of :)

Jon

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Jon,

I'm simply saying that in the context of my usage here, a software program that fully supports dual monitors, provides for the ability to drag all program elements outside of the main application window-- to another monitor e.g.-- period.

Some apps implement this more fully than others. Photoshop for example lets you drag anything outside of the main app window. InDesign lets you drag menus, but even though you can have more than one INDD open at at a time, you can't position document windows separately. Dreamweaver 8 is the same. Palettes you can drag around, but files are fixed in one tabbed window.

PPro lets you drag the toolbox outside of the main app windows e.g., but not the "major" elements such as the Timeline, Project, or Monitor windows.

Am I missing something? I think you may be referring to the ability to
drag windows/toolboxes outside of the main window.




Exactly.

So, for example, having Pros project window outside of the main app. Sure,
that's a different type of support but it's not specifically dual monitor
- that's simply a different way of programming the app (or possibly a
limitation of the app).




No, that's exactly what it is: dual (or multiple) monitor support. I can add another speaker to a mono output-- but that doesn't make it stereo. :)

If you had Pro only filling half the screen on one monitor, you still
wouldn't be able to drag all of the toolboxes outside the main window.
More importantly, what difference does it make?




With AE and another app open as you describe, if you click on AE, since it's stretched across both monitors, everything else disappears. Not just any menus that you might have dragged to the other monitor-- everything. Of course you can Alt + Tab, but again, that's a universal Windows function-- nothing to do w/ multiple monitor support.

Finally, even if 'dual monitor' support as a specific style of display
was offered, would actually be beneficial?




IMO, immeasurably.

You're not limited to two monitors and we considered getting a three monitor
version when buying our latest workstation. To me, the process of stretching
the app window is something I had to do once, on installation of the program.




I too will be adding a 3rd monitor shortly. But I'm still baffled as to why you don't see the advantages of being able to drag anything you want outside of the main application window. You're saying w/ 3 monitors that you'd drag your one application across all three monitors in order to be able to take advantage of the extra space?

How about 4 monitors? One app-- stretched across 4 monitors-- hiding everything else when it's active?! Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

You can be the fellow in this pic doesn't have to do any dragging across this system: :)

<http://www.multiplemonitors.org>

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Eddit,

Please don't take my comment as a personal affront against you.




Nah, not in the least. I'm pretty tough-skinned!

[C***@adobeforums.com]

The multi-window display is fine for me... but I'd like to see full-size preview on the monitor as an option... Like Liquid has.

[J***@adobeforums.com]

If it's any consolation, I'm equally baffled (and just what is he looking at?).

OK, let me get this straight - you're saying that if you could drag all of Pros many and varied toolboxes outside the main app window, that would somehow enable you to use another app in the background without bringing it forward.

I don't know what your Pro workspace is like but mine is as follows. My left monitor is entirely taken up with the timeline window. I frequently work with 10-20 video tracks and several audio tracks so this, for me, is a practical solution. My right hand monitor contains the project window, effects controls, frequently the audio mixer and usually the effects/transitions toolbox. Given that I work with so many sources, arranged in bins, etc., my project window runs from top to bottom and covers about a third of the screen on its own.

A friend of mine doesn't have an external preview monitor so roughly 80% of his right hand monitor is his preview window, with various other toolboxes crammed into spaces where possible.

So, if either he or I were operating Pro without the main app window stretched across, it wouldn't make a jot of difference. We still wouldn't be able to do anything with any other app - in his case he wouldn't be able to see it at all while I'd have tantalising glimpses between the various floating boxes. Sure, you can quickly close these boxes but that's exactly as many keystrokes as hitting ALT-TAB, bringing an app forward in the right hand screen while leaving the timeline visible.

Don't get me wrong, if the next version does have this ability I'm not going to complain about it. It's just that given I don't have any 'spare' space anyway, it really wouldn't make any difference to me.

If I had four monitors the same would probably still apply - I'm not sure how much I'd want to spread just Pro across four screens. Maybe the timeline across two in entirety, but then I'd still only really need one complete third for the rest. Which means I can then have the fourth without any toolboxes on it, so it's still not really making a difference to my life.

Is your timeline/project window/monitor windows that small that they wouldn't obscure most of an app behind them?

Like I said, I'm not gonna moan if they do put it in, I'm just struggling to see what the difference is - from my particular workspace perspective.

Jon

[P***@adobeforums.com]

For the love of God, PP2.0 better have multicam capabilities. The way it is now is way too cumbersome and time consuming.

[E***@adobeforums.com]

Patrick, have you filed a feature request?Cheers
Eddie
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[R***@adobeforums.com]

Bit late for PP2?

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Of course, I filed a feature request back since PP1.0 and have done about once a month since then. Im sure others have too.

[J***@adobeforums.com]

There wouldn't be any need to if you're doing it once a month :)

Man, that's dedication.

Jon

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Thats how badly I want multicamming. :)

[E***@adobeforums.com]

When PPro 2 comes out we will see what has been added and then we will know for what the most (unique) feature requests were submitted to Adobe.Cheers
Eddie
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[C***@adobeforums.com]

I submitted 10-15 requests in the past 1.5 years. I hope multicam and the others get in there.

[A***@JimGunn.com]

Patrick, I am curious, I usually shoot with only one camera, but I have some live events coming up soon that I will shoot with multiple cameras. Maybe you can explain, because I am not sure I understand. What specific multicam features are you interested in having in Premiere Pro and what would they enable so that there would be an advantage to use them?

[Calvin Hass]

I am guessing that Patrick is refering to the sort of "multi-camming" capability that you can find in the latest Final Cut Pro release.

Basically, you add several video clips into a group and are shown a preview window with them all running at the same time (ie. 4 PIPs), but then with keyboard or mouse, you can switch between the views at realtime. Your captured switch commands are cut into an edited sequence for you automatically!

For videos where I am running simultaneous cameras (eg. in-car racing views), this would allow me to switch to the most interesting views and make the cuts with very little effort.

This feature could potentially save quite a bit of time -- although I don't know what it would do when you want to later shift the cut points and not lose synchronization (as I assume you are no longer dealing with 3 or 4 stacked video channels anymore).

Cal.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Yep, exactly what I mean. I use it in Avid all the time and in Vegas as well with a plugin. I just cant believe it has taken Adobe this long to implement it.

[Steven Gotz]

As I recall, it is pretty new to Final Cut as well. So if Adobe has it in the first release after Final Cut got it, that seems fair enough to me. I prefer to beat Apple, but it is not always possible.

FCP still can't edit audio at the sample level as far as I know.