When is version 2.0 due?

[A***@adobeforums.com]

Does anyone know if version 2.0 is around the corner? I want to upgrade to 1.5, but I always seem to do so right before a new version comes out.

Thanks,

Alan

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Weekly question, weekly answer. Anyone who knows, cant say. Anyone who says, doesnt know.

[Calvin Hass]

Adobe has a "post-announce" upgrade in place so that if you did purchase just before an announcement, you would be eligible to receive the replacement (I believe it's a 30 day window).

Just like everyone else, I don't *know*, but my best guess would be 5 days from now :)

[Steven Gotz]

Be careful. The free upgrade is usually from the day that they announce. Not before.

[Calvin Hass]

Hmmm... When I phoned and asked specifically about this they indicated that if they announced a new release within 30 days after I made my purchase, that I would be eligible.

They did something pretty similar with Premiere Elements 1 -> 2.

Of course it's possible that I might have misinterpreted what was said to me, so everyone will have to phone for themselves to be sure :)
Cal.

[Steven Gotz]

I could be wrong. If that's what they said, then I am glad to hear it.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

I bought Photoshop Elements 3 about three weeks before they announced version 4 - a quick e-mail to Adobe and they sent me version 4 free.

Phil.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

I have a feeling that tomorrow is the big day. NAB East would be the perfect venue to announce, and a good way to get people's attention about NAB East. I'm sure we'll also get 1-2 HDV announcements. If I'd known about it sooner I'd have flown out there for NAB East. New York is a cheap flight away.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

So much for expecting a first day NAB Post Plus announcement of PP2.0 Guess it wasnt as close as we thought it was. I sure hope with dont have to wait for NAB 2006 for it. Thats just ridiculous.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

NAB doesn't open until 4 p.m. ET.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Doh, for some reason I thought it started in the morning. So I guess theres still hope yet. Wish there was some sort of online broadcast.

[Calvin Hass]

Looks like we might have to wait for DVExpo West instead :( Apparently, Total Training will be attending that event but not NAB Post+, so it would seem likely that they would pair the rollout.

Cal.

[G***@adobeforums.com]

That would be a bummer... two more whole weeks?! :)

Of course, for me there would be a silver lining to that... Now that I'm living in LA I can get to DVExpo west really easily, and could possibly be there when Premiere Pro 2 is unveiled! ;)

I hope they bring back batch encoding...

[C***@adobeforums.com]

This sucks... screw Total Training. I was really hoping for SOME kind of announcement. The NAB Post show and Adobe post production must not mesh. I noticed that there weren't any non-photoshop presentations going on here.

[G***@adobeforums.com]

Alright... I'm now registered for DV Expo west. Hopefully the new Video Collection apps will be shown there. It can't be too much longer if they were willing to spill a few beans about AE7.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Since the Video Collection is all about post... it made sense to do the NAB show in NY. The one thing that is bugging me about Adobe is the length of time in between releases. I was stuck with 6.0 forever. 1.0 was awesome. The jump from 1.0 to 1.5 did almost nothing for me. I got 1.5 in May 2004. That was 18 months ago.

This update to 2.0 had better be as much about innovation as it is about integration. I still spend 90% of my time in PPro although I use all the other apps. I much prefer the PPro timeline to AE, so I would hope that AEs talents should lie directly in PPro... especially for folks that purchase both tools.

[J***@adobeforums.com]

I'm a little at a loss with the frenetic demand for v2.0. OK, so I'm not necessarily stretching the boundaries of 1.5 but there's nothing missing in it that keeps me awake at night. Personally, I'm quite happy with software that doesn't change versions every 6 months, so long as the one I've got does what I need, which 1.5.1 does.

Sure, a new version with new toys would be nice, but I'm not sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for it. :)

Of the grand total of 43 posted 'New Features Desired' only a handful represent real changes over/additions to the existing program and many are either fairly trivial or can be achieved already.

I wouldn't read too much into the brief glimpse of 'AE7'. For all we know that particular beta could have been around for months, although I agree it seems portentious that they felt ready to display it publicly.

Jon

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Jon,

Heres my take on this. We all know there are still various bugs even in 1.5.1 18 months is more than enough time to fix them and any other bugs that have crept up that hasnt hit the majority of users yet. Whats funny is the only bugs I ever discover are on projects that I have a deadline on. Go figure.

Furthermore, 18 monthsis more than enough time to invent some new features to catch up with the other NLEs and also match their features. While I want multicam in the worst way its more in that I refuse to pay $500 for the piece of crap United Media junk. I saw a demo hands on and it just sucked. The price is half of what my NLE cost so I expect Adobe to integrate it.

We all have heard time and again that Adobe provides a complete solution but how can that be when other NLEs can do more for around the same cost. With HD-DVD/Blu Ray right around the corner, one would think Adobe would start positioning themselves and their customers to prepare for the demand of it. Apple did so with FCP5 and DVDS4. So has Vegas albeit with a limited H.264 AVC codec. Avid has too.

While I am not a fan of frequent upgrades, Adobe leaves its users waiting for the upgrades but because that is usually the only time we get bug fixes and we have to pay for them. Look at the forum and look at the issues some people are having.

That are the reasons I love Vegas and Avid. There will always be bugs but at least those get fixed sooner rather than later and it doesnt cost me anything but bandwidth to fix the problems. With Adobe, the really dont seem to give a shit once they have your cash. They have always been that way.

Maybe its our fault for expecting more out of a company that we keep in business but 18 months is more than enough time to fix bugs and keep us on even playing fields with other NLEs so we dont have to go out and spend a fortune on crappy plugins that dont do the job very well.

[J***@adobeforums.com]

I think you're being a little unkind to Adobe - or perhaps more accurately, overkind to other software vendors :)

I do haunt these forums a great deal and most of the 'bugs' that people report end up being conflicts with other software or hardware - something that other NLEs are just as prone to. Take a quick glance at the FCP Discussion board <http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=123> and it doesn't seem much different from the forums here, I dare say the same could be said of any other vendor/product. In many cases, some of the loudest shouting turns out to be people trying to do something inappropriate or incorrectly in the first place.

Your focus (apart from the multicam bit, which is a valid and worthwhile addition) seems to be on bugs but what bugs are you referring to?

Don't get me wrong, an update around now would be appropriate, I think, I'm just not being hindered or affected by any limitation of 1.5 in the way that others appear to be.

Jon

[c***@adobeforums.com]

This is something that "bugs" me too. Im sure there are some bugs in ppro 1.5 as there are in any complex sw app, but none that prevent me from making a decent living with it. ppro works very well, overall.

However; I think Adobe could come into the 21st century with their philosophy on bug reporting. They have the old school mentality of not publishing their bugs (with the minor exception of the read me file that does mention some issues). I wish they would publicly publish their database of bug reports for everyone to see. This (IMHO) would raise the respect of adobe and dispell many mythical bugs which in many cases do not even exist.

Whoops; I may have hijacked this thread. Apologies to Mr moderator sirs.

Curt Wrigley

[P***@adobeforums.com]

One of the biggest bugs is with the 24P support. The strobbing that occurs with 24P footage is awful and should have been fixed a long time ago with a patch. The fact that Adobe advertises support for this format, and then releases a product that's flawed with no fix is what bothers me.

The HDV support needs to be upgraded as well. Yes, we're able to edit with HDV, but in a limited way. And look at the forum page to see all the bugs. Of course, you can spend more money and buy additional software to make it easier, but we shouldn't have to. FCP and Avid both just released good HDV support that's included (or downloadable in the case of Avid).

I love PPro, but it is frustrating as a loyal user to watch other NLE's release new versions while we Adobe supporters just sit and wait.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Here is my reason for wanting upgrades...

1. Bugs or glitches that need to be fixed
2. Multicam
3. Further and better interoperability
4. More current effects (native time warp and motion tracking... no more skipping over to AE... that's garbage)
5. Time-saving presets
6. Native-Adobe effects
7. I also edit as a hobby... so new products are fun to take for a spin.
8. Batch Encoding
9. More evolved encoding options
10. simple DVD authoring within PPro OR the ability to import whole PPro projects into Encore without rendering first.

18 months seems like forever when other apps are getting 2 upgrades since my last 1. I am hooked on the Adobe interface, or I would have switched over to Liquid a long time ago.

One thing that always bugged me about Adobe is that most of their upgrades mostly center around additional interoperability (working with other stuff you need to buy with PPro) and purchased plugins that are added in as effects. Instead of offering new and innovative effects, AE and PPro have just been adding stuff that already there... albeit as a costly plugin. It leads me to believe that adobe has a bunch of interface experts and a pile of money to throw at the folks that come up with plugins. Final Cut and Vegas do the same thing, but they also have new and innovative features with each release. Vegas had some form of HD support 3 versions ago. Final Cut had effects like Time Warp 2 versions ago.

[unknown]

I second the demand to get the 24P bug fixed. Other issues in the list are not as crucial (or even important) to me. For now I'm quite happy with PPro 1.5.1 (and what it can't do wrt. format conversion - is taken care of nicely by Procoder Express and MSP-8).

[g***@adobeforums.com]

agreed,

furthermore, i am starting on a one year project in january, if a new release is not out by then, with some major updates, i will swop to final cut pro. it just seems like encore and premiere are "low priority" at adobe.
we have to get 4 new systems and at the current trend i would rather put my professional future in the hands of someone who seem a bit more interested in getting a quality product out there. a very good example is the hd issue which i have to say adobe adressed very poorly.....

[P***@adobeforums.com]

"I second the demand to get the 24P bug fixed. Other issues in the list are not as crucial (or even important) to me. For now I'm quite happy with PPro 1.5.1 (and what it can't do wrt. format conversion - is taken care of nicely by Procoder Express and MSP-"

Uri, thats the problem here. Just because some things are not important to you doesnt mean they arent important to someone else. Just like there is someone who could care less about the 24P bug. Niether your needs or someone else's needs supercedes another's.

The pure fact is the more we stay on Adobe and the more new features and fixes we get, the more we ALL benefit. You might not need these features today or next week but what happens when you need this feature six months from now for a crucial project and the software still isn't out? Then you're SOL just like you are with the 24p bug.

Instead of downplaying the anticipation or excitement for the need of a new version, we as editors should pull together so that we have the tools to compete with the Avids and the FCPers of the world. If Macs werent so damn expensive, I would have switched to FCP5 back at NAB. Just can't justify spending thousands of dollars on a computer that I would only use to edit and multicam on.

[unknown]

24P is a painful bug and therefore must be fixed.

I read somewhere that Multicam is available as a 3rd-party plug-in. It's unpleasant to shell out extra money (like it's unpleasant to have to get Procoder Express or MPEG Pro plug-in) - but that's given and isn't going to change. If I wanted, I could stay with MSP-8 (very comparable to PPro in capabilities, much better in dealing with different formats, but the interface and the "feel" aren't as pleasing to me). I chose to use PPro, despite its shortcomings.

The other items on your list (more effects, more presets, etc) are nice to have, but their absense doesn't prevent people from doing useful work with what is already there. [Especially for things like presets - just define yourself those that you like and save them.]

Thus I have neither anticipation not excitement for a new version - for the next year or so I for sure do not need it.

[a***@adobeforums.com]

uri,

maybe your clients are not as demanding as ours, mixing different formats together on the same timeline, proper hd support, omf export, all these things should be standard if you deal with clients.maybe there should be 2 versions of p pro, one with all the plugins like multicam editing etc and another much like the current version with a few minor tweaks. i for one will move to final cut if these issues dont get adressed.

[a***@adobeforums.com]

p.s. audio conforming really needs a toggle switch, when you export to omf like i do you leave the reall fine edits to the sound mixer in any case. it takes up time, processing and drive space. it can also become a problem when you just want to top and tail a long clip and render it to dvd.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

You know what sucks about waiting? Announcing a product in December is bone-headed. My personal situation is as follows:

The end of the business year is only 5 weeks away... and the money I have left in my budget is in part dedicated to a new system (with output for streaming" and a new Video Collection. I already have the 1.5 PPro collection in my current system (which keeps crashing) and I sure as heck don't want to repurchase that system and HOPE that Adobe will upgrade me. If I wait until January to purchase this system I have to go back thru the approval chain, which can take months, and then I can still be turned down. Quite a Quandry, and I'm assuming I'm not alone here.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Hi Chris,

...I sure as heck don't want to repurchase that system and HOPE that Adobe
will upgrade me.




Which, IMO, speaks to a point that I think all those saying they "don't need" an upgrade fail to address.

Beyond the feature set of any major upgrade for any software, is the evidence that a software company is still actively developing the program. No one wants to continue to make a major investment in time, energy & equipment based on a platform that's going nowhere.

Take it from a long time user of Ventura Publisher-- a program that was once a player in the desktop publishing arena. Still has a small and dwindling group of users/supporters, and perhaps still the best tool for what they're doing, but given the vendor's complete lack of development, destined to wither away.

Users with a major investment of resources centered around Adobe's video products need to know their chosen platform is, and will likely remain, competitive.

[C***@adobeforums.com]

Great point Roger... the studio downstairs from me purchased 3 copies of Commotion 4 3 or 4 years ago. Needless to say they haven't gotten any upgrades.

[d***@adobeforums.com]

Sometimes I wonder how product development changes because PPro is part of the Suite. I would imagine Adobe tries to schedule all four products to be completed around the same time; but everyone knows that schedules with stuff like this are hard to always keep. So was PPRo 2.0 finished 2 months ago, but Adobe can't release it because AE 7.0 is not ready yet? Or does Encore's dev get rushed because the other 3 apps are ready? They don't want to release the upgraded Suite with only 2 upgraded products and then have to release it again another 6 months later for the other half of the Suite.
David